WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:02.775 Who is the murder of Darya Dugina? 2 00:00:02.775 --> 00:00:04.450 Russia and Ukraine each sticks to its own argument 3 00:00:04.475 --> 00:00:06.275 Russia has presented various evidence 4 00:00:06.275 --> 00:00:07.775 but all have been denied by Ukraine 5 00:00:07.800 --> 00:00:09.000 Instead, Ukraine alleged that this has been 6 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:10.175 the result of Russia’s internal conflicts 7 00:00:10.475 --> 00:00:11.475 Anyway it is undeniable that 8 00:00:11.475 --> 00:00:13.794 Dugina’s death will change the Russia-Ukraine war 9 00:00:13.794 --> 00:00:15.650 that has been going on for half a year 10 00:00:16.030 --> 00:00:17.694 Today we are glad to have Yang Cheng with us 11 00:00:17.694 --> 00:00:18.971 for further comment and analysis 12 00:00:18.971 --> 00:00:21.470 Mr. Yang is the Executive Dean of Shanghai Academy of Global Governance & 13 00:00:21.470 --> 00:00:23.500 Area Studies at Shanghai International Studies University. 14 00:00:23.975 --> 00:00:24.800 Good evening, Mr. Yang! 15 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:26.575 Do you think Dugina’s death 16 00:00:26.575 --> 00:00:28.300 means that assassinations beyond the 17 00:00:28.300 --> 00:00:30.200 Russia-Ukraine battlefield have begun 18 00:00:30.200 --> 00:00:31.750 In your view 19 00:00:31.750 --> 00:00:33.500 how will the Russian side react to this incident 20 00:00:36.025 --> 00:00:36.772 First of all 21 00:00:36.772 --> 00:00:40.503 regardless of Dugina’s personal political stance 22 00:00:40.503 --> 00:00:41.549 it is tragic that 23 00:00:41.549 --> 00:00:46.071 she was killed in a car bombing 24 00:00:46.393 --> 00:00:48.929 Second, for the question you asked just now 25 00:00:48.929 --> 00:00:50.977 it seems that the evidence 26 00:00:50.977 --> 00:00:53.522 released by Russia is true to you, namely 27 00:00:53.522 --> 00:00:59.538 the mission was planned by the Ukrainian special department 28 00:00:59.538 --> 00:01:04.594 But this may not be the full facts 29 00:01:04.594 --> 00:01:05.692 Russia presented the evidence 30 00:01:05.692 --> 00:01:07.180 within a day after the killing of Dugina 31 00:01:07.730 --> 00:01:09.292 To a certain extent, it is convincing 32 00:01:09.532 --> 00:01:11.324 However, Ukraine denied any involvement in the killing 33 00:01:11.324 --> 00:01:13.490 immediately after the incident on August 21 34 00:01:14.015 --> 00:01:18.802 The next day, its senior officials repeated those denials 35 00:01:19.552 --> 00:01:22.962 We should also note that day in the UN 36 00:01:22.962 --> 00:01:25.394 a recognized authoritative organization 37 00:01:25.394 --> 00:01:30.377 the Spokesman for the UN Secretary General emphasized that 38 00:01:30.377 --> 00:01:32.686 the UN was calling for an investigation 39 00:01:32.686 --> 00:01:35.197 to establish the full facts behind the attack 40 00:01:35.197 --> 00:01:40.375 This actually means some disclosed evidence 41 00:01:40.375 --> 00:01:43.698 including the so-called murder 42 00:01:43.698 --> 00:01:53.624 and his identity documents are not so convincing 43 00:01:53.624 --> 00:02:01.131 If the mission was well-organized and carefully-planned 44 00:02:01.131 --> 00:02:03.675 the identity documents of the people concerned 45 00:02:03.675 --> 00:02:06.550 and related stuff should have been destroyed timely 46 00:02:06.875 --> 00:02:13.195 I think this may be just a single event 47 00:02:13.945 --> 00:02:16.624 We still need to observe the 48 00:02:16.624 --> 00:02:20.006 subsequent possible chain reactions 49 00:02:20.006 --> 00:02:21.700 I don’t think it will definitely trigger 50 00:02:21.700 --> 00:02:24.968 a series of struggles beyond the battlefield 51 00:02:24.968 --> 00:02:26.177 It’s more likely to be reflected in 52 00:02:26.177 --> 00:02:27.544 information warfare that centers on, for example 53 00:02:27.544 --> 00:02:29.604 whether the assassination of Dugina 54 00:02:29.604 --> 00:02:32.614 was an act authorized by the Ukrainian government 55 00:02:32.882 --> 00:02:34.750 In this case, Russia and the West may 56 00:02:34.750 --> 00:02:38.854 enter into a fierce defensive information warfare 57 00:02:39.825 --> 00:02:42.475 But that doesn’t mean there will 58 00:02:42.475 --> 00:02:46.800 be tit for tat such as a suicide attack 59 00:02:46.950 --> 00:02:51.225 a bomb attack or other assassinations 60 00:02:51.225 --> 00:02:52.900 I don’t think this kind of responses are desirable choice 61 00:02:52.900 --> 00:02:55.100 whether for Russia or Ukraine 62 00:02:55.721 --> 00:02:58.700 More likely, as Dugin himself said 63 00:02:58.775 --> 00:03:02.725 at his daughter’s memorial service 64 00:03:02.750 --> 00:03:06.250 they hope the Russian army wins 65 00:03:06.625 --> 00:03:08.175 Maybe this is what he wants 66 00:03:08.275 --> 00:03:11.675 The future Russia-Ukraine relations 67 00:03:11.675 --> 00:03:13.775 will be specifically defined by the war 68 00:03:13.775 --> 00:03:15.250 We should analyze from this perspective 69 00:03:15.625 --> 00:03:17.825 I insist that the development of the 70 00:03:17.825 --> 00:03:20.175 Russia-Ukraine war doesn’t depend on 71 00:03:20.175 --> 00:03:23.500 such a single incident,the killing of Dugina 72 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:24.525 Because the war itself 73 00:03:25.100 --> 00:03:27.175 or this special military operation 74 00:03:27.175 --> 00:03:28.375 in Russian terms 75 00:03:28.634 --> 00:03:32.059 may also rely on some key elements of the war itself 76 00:03:32.059 --> 00:03:36.122 for instance, the equipment, the morale 77 00:03:36.122 --> 00:03:39.775 the tactical abilities and mobilization capabilities of both sides involved 78 00:03:39.775 --> 00:03:41.975 Of course, it is also decided by their capabilities 79 00:03:41.975 --> 00:03:43.882 for intelligence warfare and information warfare 80 00:03:44.157 --> 00:03:46.349 In a nutshell, it may not be easily 81 00:03:46.349 --> 00:03:48.899 affected by such a single event 82 00:03:49.187 --> 00:03:51.277 It is true that this incident must be a catalyst 83 00:03:51.277 --> 00:03:54.777 and it may make the Russia-Ukraine conflict escalate 84 00:03:56.514 --> 00:03:58.514 Thank you for your comments and analysis on this topic